imported>Chimerawizard: /* Skillchain Damage */ https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/58383/diamond-aspis-skillchain-testing/1/#3747164 and guessing based on trend for t4 chain's 3.0

2025-05-31T15:25:04Z

Skillchain Damage: https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/58383/diamond-aspis-skillchain-testing/1/#3747164 and guessing based on trend for t4 chain's 3.0

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Skillchains take place when two abilities with appropriate skillchain properties are used subsequently, in a valid order, and within a the necessary time window (3-10 seconds). The following abilities can give Skillchain properties:
* '''Skillchains'''
* [[:Category:Weapon Skills|Weapon Skills]]
** [[AoE]] [[:Category:Weapon Skills|Weapon Skills]] will only give skillchain properties to their target.
* [[Blood Pact: Rage|Rage Blood Pacts]]
* [[Chain Affinity]] + [[:Category:Blue Magic|Physical Blue Magic]]
* [[Immanence]] + [[:Category:Elemental Magic|Elemental Magic Spell]]
* [[Konzen-ittai]]/[[Wild Flourish]] (opening only)

Every combination of skillchain properties does not creates a skillchain, and sometimes different skillchain can be created from the same two properties if they are combined in the opposite order. For instance, [[:Category:Compression|Compression]] -> [[:Category:Transfixion|Transfixion]] makes a [[:Category:Transfixion|Transfixion]] skillchain, while [[:Category:Transfixion|Transfixion]] -> [[:Category:Compression|Compression]] makes a [[:Category:Compression|Compression]] skillchain. This is called "reciprocal," because either order is valid. There are also "nonreciprocal" skillchains, where only one order of properties works. For example, [[:Category:Transfixion|Transfixion]] -> [[:Category:Scission|Scission]] makes [[:Category:Distortion|Distortion]], but [[:Category:Scission|Scission]] -> [[:Category:Transfixion|Transfixion]] does not make a Skillchain.

Skillchaining is generally only for players, but some particular enemies are capable of Skillchaining as well. One ([[Tenzen]]) even has a unique Skillchain called "Cosmic Elucidation."

There are four "Levels" of Skillchains and Skillchain properties. The properties within a level can only skillchain with other properties within the level, and will result in a skillchain that's either the same level or one higher. So Level 1 properties combine with other Level 1 properties and make either Level 1 or Level 2 properties. Level 2 properties combine to make Level 2 or Level 3 properties.

== Skillchain Damage ==
Skillchain damage is determined by eight factors at the moment:
* The damage of the action that created the current skillchain (Closing Damage).
* The number of skillchain used in sequence so far and the current skillchain level (see table below).
* [[Skillchain Bonus]]
** Gear, Trait, Gifts, Aeonic Aftermath. Caps at 50%.
***Job Point Bonuses are added to this bonus and can exceed the 50% cap
****Affects [[Wild Flourish|Wild Flourish (Flourish II effect)]], [[Konzen-ittai]] Effect, [[Meikyo Shisui]] effect
* Skillchain Damage
** Ex. [[Sengikori]].
* [[Magic Damage (Statistic)]]
* Day/Weather Bonuses (can be forced using Obis)
* Staff Affinity
* Elemental Affinity
* [[Resist|Resistance Rank]]
* Magic Damage Taken modification of the target (like [[:Category:Shell Spell|Shell]])

The equation would be:
: '''Equation:''' Skillchain damage = ( Closing Damage {{math|times}} (Skillchain Level/Number from Table) {{math|times}} (1 + [[Skillchain Bonus]]{{math|divide}}100) + Magic Damage ) {{math|times}} (1 + Skillchain Damage+%/100) {{math|times}} (1 + Day/Weather bonuses) {{math|times}} (1 + Staff Affinity) {{math|times}} (1 + Elemental Affinity) {{math|times}} (Resistance Rank) {{math|times}} (Monster magic damage reductions)
: ''Example:'' A character is doing a level 1 skillchain with two [[:Category:Weapon Skills|Weapon Skills]], 30 [[Skillchain Bonus]], and no relevant day/weather/affinity, and the monster's resistance rank is 100%. The closing damage is 500.
:: 325 = [[floor]]( ( 500 {{math|times}} 0.5 {{math|times}} 1.3 + 0 ) {{math|times}} 1 {{math|times}} 1 {{math|times}} 1 {{math|times}} 1 {{math|times}} 100%)

If you are deciding what kind of skillchain you will make, it's necessary to strike a balance between number of weapon skills per skillchain and skillchain damage. For instance, if you have the potential to make a level 3 and then level 4 skillchain with 3 weaponskills, is it better to do that twice or do a level 1 skillchain, three level 2 skillchains, and then a 3 and 4 skillchain? The answer to this varies from job to job, and will depend a lot on the weapon skills you are forced to use to do the longer skillchain. Typically [[:Category:Weapon Skills|Weapon Skills]] with lower properties are also weaker than [[:Category:Weapon Skills|Weapon Skills]] with higher properties, so it is often difficult to argue for skillchain length over level.

{| width=700px border=0 cellspacing=2 align=center
|-
|
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''2'''
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''3'''
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''4'''
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''5'''
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''6'''
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''7+'''
|-
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''Level 1'''
| align="center" | 0.5
| align="center" | 0.6
| align="center" | 0.7
| align="center" | 0.8
| align="center" | 0.9
| align="center" | 1.0
|-
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''Level 2'''
| align="center" | 0.6
| align="center" | 0.75
| align="center" | 1.0
| align="center" | 1.25
| align="center" | 1.5
| align="center" | 1.75
|-
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''Level 3'''
| align="center" | 1.0
| align="center" | 1.5
| align="center" | 1.75
| align="center" | 2.0
| align="center" | 2.25
| align="center" | 2.5
|-
| BGCOLOR="C5C8FF" align="center" | '''Radiance/Umbra'''
| align="center" | 1.5
| align="center" | 1.8
| align="center" | 2.1
| align="center" | 2.4
| align="center" | 2.7
| align="center" | 3.0
|}

It should be noted that increasing the number of [[:Category:Weapon Skills|Weapon Skills]] used to make a [[Skillchain]] also increases the [[Magic Burst]] damage.

=== Skillchain Damage Element ===
Level 1 Skillchains have a single elemental property and always are composed of that element's damage. Level 2, 3, and 4 skillchains are composed of multiple elements and have the potential to be any one of them. For instance, [[:Category:Fusion|Fusion]] can be either light or fire elemental damage, and would be affected by [[Korin Obi]] or [[Karin Obi]], respectively. Skillchains do elemental damage of the element the monster has the lowest resistance rank in, which can be affected by things like [[Rayke]]. If multiple elements in the skillchain tie for the lowest rank of the target, it defaults to the first option in the following priority order: <br> {{fire}} → {{ice}} → {{wind}} → {{earth}} → {{thunder}} → {{water}} → {{light}} → {{dark}}

'''Example:''' If you use a [[:Category:Distortion|Distortion]] skillchain on a [[Water Elemental]], it will deal ice damage due to its high water resistance rank, while on an [[Ice Elemental]] it will instead do water damage. If instead you use Distortion on an [[Earth Elemental]], a monster with equal ice and water ranks, it will deal ice damage due to ice being higher priority than water.

This is particularly relevant when it comes to [[:Category:Elemental Obi|Elemental Obi]]s, which can be used to force day/weather bonuses to apply to your skillchains. For instance, [[Hyorin Obi]] worn on a 2000 damage Weapon Skill to close a 2-step [[:Category:Darkness|Darkness]] skillchain when it deals ice damage on iceday would another 200+ damage to the skillchain, which may be better a better increase in total damage than you can get from another belt in that situation.

== Multiple Skillchain Properties ==
Many [[:Category:Weapon Skills|Weapon Skills]] have multiple Skillchain properties. You will notice that these are separated out into primary, secondary, and ternary properties. They attempt to skillchain in that order. So the primary property will attempt to skillchain with the previous property. If it cannot then the secondary property will attempt to skillchain. If that fails, then the ternary one will attempt to skillchain.

If the monster has no active skillchain property, then it receives the three in the listed order. They would be compared to any following property(ies) in order. If a Skillchain is made, then that Skillchain property becomes the only one active on the monster.

== Level 1 Skillchains ==
There are 19 ways to make skillchains with level 1 properties and 12 different skillchains that can be made (8 ''level 1'', 4 '''level 2'''). It is possible to skillchain level 1 properties continuously with a little planning, thanks to the reciprocal properties and large number of possible skillchains. For instance, [[Cyclone]] ([[:Category:Detonation|Detonation]]/[[:Category:Scission|Scission]]) can be used over and over to skillchain with itself. Not all reciprocal skillchains can be used this way, because some make level 2 skillchains. Still, this can be used to increase the number of weaponskills in a skillchain before elevating it to a higher skillchain level.

Level 1 Skillchains will always be the same as the property of the closing weapon skill that was used. Level 1 properties can make Level 2 Skillchains when combined in the proper way, but there is no rhyme or reason to it. For instance, it doesn't make much sense that Light (Transfixion) -> Earth (Scission) would make Ice/Water, but not any other combination. The only way to really represent it is a table.

{| width=900px border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center
|-
| align=center | '''Second'''
| colspan=8 align="center" style="border-bottom:3px solid black;" | '''First Property'''
|-
| align=center style="border-bottom:3px solid black;" | '''Property'''
| BGCOLOR="F5F5F5" align="center" | '''[[Transfixion]]'''
| BGCOLOR="777777" align="center" | '''[[Compression]]'''
| BGCOLOR="FF4030" align="center" | '''[[Liquefaction]]'''
| BGCOLOR="A95940" align="center" | '''[[Scission]]'''
| BGCOLOR="2A6BFC" align="center" | '''[[Reverberation]]'''
| BGCOLOR="25CC25" align="center" | '''[[Detonation]]'''
| BGCOLOR="07CCCC" align="center" | '''[[Induration]]'''
| BGCOLOR="FF80FA" align="center" | '''[[Impaction]]'''
|-
| BGCOLOR="F5F5F5" align="center" | '''[[Transfixion]]'''
| BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| align="center" | {{Transfixion}} ''[[:Category:Transfixion|Transfixion]]''
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
|-
| BGCOLOR="777777" align="center" | '''[[Compression]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Compression}} ''[[:Category:Compression|Compression]]''
| BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Gravitation}} '''[[:Category:Gravitation|Gravitation]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Compression}} ''[[:Category:Compression|Compression]]''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
|-
| BGCOLOR="FF4030" align="center" | '''[[Liquefaction]]'''
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| align="center" | {{Liquefaction}} ''[[:Category:Liquefaction|Liquefaction]]''
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{Liquefaction}} ''[[:Category:Liquefaction|Liquefaction]]''
|-
| BGCOLOR="A95940" align="center" | '''[[Scission]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Distortion}} '''[[:Category:Distortion|Distortion]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Scission}} ''[[:Category:Scission|Scission]]''
| BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Scission}} ''[[:Category:Scission|Scission]]''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
|-
| BGCOLOR="2A6BFC" align="center" | '''[[Reverberation]]'''
| align="center" | {{Reverberation}} ''[[:Category:Reverberation|Reverberation]]''
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{Reverberation}} ''[[:Category:Reverberation|Reverberation]]''
| BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{Fragmentation}} '''[[:Category:Fragmentation|Fragmentation]]'''
| align="center" | {{x}}
|-
| BGCOLOR="25CC25" align="center" | '''[[Detonation]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Detonation}} ''[[:Category:Detonation|Detonation]]''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Detonation}} ''[[:Category:Detonation|Detonation]]''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Detonation}} ''[[:Category:Detonation|Detonation]]''
|-
| BGCOLOR="07CCCC" align="center" | '''[[Induration]]'''
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{x}}
| align="center" | {{Induration}} ''[[:Category:Induration|Induration]]''
| align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| align="center" | {{x}}
|-
| BGCOLOR="FF80FA" align="center" | '''[[Impaction]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Fusion}} '''[[:Category:Fusion|Fusion]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Impaction}} ''[[:Category:Impaction|Impaction]]''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Impaction}} ''[[:Category:Impaction|Impaction]]''
| BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
|-
|}

== Level 2 Skillchains ==
Level 2 Skillchains can be [[Magic Burst]]ed using two elements and their aligned [[weapon skill]]s combine to make either another Level 2 Skillchain or a Level 3 Skillchain. Like Level 1 Skillchains, these can be used circularly to increase the number of weapon skills in a chain before elevating it to level 3, but it requires a complicated pattern and access to all four level 2 properties.

== Level 3 Skillchains ==
Level 3 Skillchains are created by combining the appropriate Level 2 properties.<br />Level 3 Skillchains inflict more damage, but cannot be cycled to increase the number of weapon skills in a chain like Level 1 and Level 2 skillchains as they can only be continued once by a Level 4 skillchain.

{| width=700px border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center
|-
| colspan=2 align=center width=20% | '''Second'''
| colspan=8 align="center" style="border-bottom:3px solid black;" | '''First Property'''
|-
| colspan=2 align=center style="border-bottom:3px solid black;" | '''Property'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="777777" align="right" | '''[[:Category:Gravitation|Gravi]]'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="A95940" align="left" | '''[[:Category:Gravitation|tation]]'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="2A6BFC" align="right" | '''[[:Category:Distortion|Disto]]'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="07CCCC" align="left" | '''[[:Category:Distortion|rtion]]'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="FF4030" align="right" | '''[[:Category:Fusion|Fus]]'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="F5F5F5" align="left" | '''[[:Category:Fusion|ion]]'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="25CC25" align="right" | '''[[:Category:Fragmentation|Fragmen]]'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="FF80FA" align="left" | '''[[:Category:Fragmentation|tation]]'''
|-
| width=10% BGCOLOR="777777" align="right" | '''[[:Category:Gravitation|Gravi]]'''
| width=10% BGCOLOR="A95940" align="left" | '''[[:Category:Gravitation|tation]]'''
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| colspan=2 align="center" | {{Darkness}} '''[[:Category:Darkness|Darkness]]'''
| colspan=2 align="center" | {{Gravitation}} ''[[:Category:Gravitation|Gravitation]]''
| colspan=2 align="center" | {{x}}
|-
| BGCOLOR="2A6BFC" align="right" | '''[[:Category:Distortion|Disto]]'''
| BGCOLOR="07CCCC" align="left" | '''[[:Category:Distortion|rtion]]'''
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Darkness}} '''[[:Category:Darkness|Darkness]]'''
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Distortion}} ''[[:Category:Distortion|Distortion]]''
|-
| BGCOLOR="FF4030" align="right" | '''[[:Category:Fusion|Fus]]'''
| BGCOLOR="F5F5F5" align="left" | '''[[:Category:Fusion|ion]]'''
| colspan=2 align="center" | {{x}}
| colspan=2 align="center" | {{Fusion}} ''[[:Category:Fusion|Fusion]]''
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
| colspan=2 align="center" | {{LightSC}} '''[[:Category:Light|Light]]'''
|-
| BGCOLOR="25CC25" align="right" | '''[[:Category:Fragmentation|Fragmen]]'''
| BGCOLOR="FF80FA" align="left" | '''[[:Category:Fragmentation|tation]]'''
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Fragmentation}} ''[[:Category:Fragmentation|Fragmentation]]''
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{LightSC}} '''[[:Category:Light|Light]]'''
| colspan=2 BGCOLOR="AAAAAA" |
|-
|}

<div style="text-align: center;">Level 2s may be looped continually, i.e.<br />
{{Gravitation}} ''[[:Category:Gravitation|Gravitation]]'' → {{Fragmentation}} ''[[:Category:Fragmentation|Fragmentation]]'' → {{Distortion}} ''[[:Category:Distortion|Distortion]]'' → {{Fusion}} ''[[:Category:Fusion|Fusion]]'' → {{Gravitation}} ''[[:Category:Gravitation|Gravitation]]''</div>

== Level 4 Skillchains ==
Level 4 Skillchains ([[Double Darkness]], [[Double Light]], [[Radiance]], and [[Umbra]]) are created by combining two Level 3 Skillchain properties and are functionally the same as Level 3 Skillchain except that they cannot be continued further. Thus, combining two Level 3 properties directly (like [[Konzen-ittai]]->[[Tachi: Kaiten]]) will create a "[[Level 4 Light|Light]]" Skillchain that cannot be continued by another level 3 property, despite only one "[[:Category:Light|Light]]" skillchain having been created. There is no real consensus on a name for these properties, but some proposed options are given [http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1312810027293934554 here].

{| width=700px border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center
|-
| align=center width=33% | '''Second'''
| colspan=4 align="center" style="border-bottom:3px solid black;" | '''First Property'''
|-
| align=center style="border-bottom:3px solid black;" | '''Property'''
| BGCOLOR="F5F5F5" align="center" width=33% | '''[[:Category:Light|Light]]'''
| BGCOLOR="666666" align="center" width=33% | '''[[:Category:Darkness|Darkness]]'''
|-
| BGCOLOR="F5F5F5" align="center" | '''[[:Category:Light|Light]]'''
| TCOLOR="FF0000" align="center" | {{LightSC}} '''[[Level 4 Light]]'''
| align="center" | {{x}}
|-
| BGCOLOR="666666" align="center" | '''[[:Category:Darkness|Darkness]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Darkness}} '''[[Level 4 Darkness]]'''
|-
|}

=== Ultimate Skillchains ===
<hr>
:Ultimate Skillchains ([[Radiance]] and [[Umbra]]) are created by combining two Level 3 Skillchain properties and are a special type of Level 4 Skillchains, and can only be made while under the effect of [[Aeonic Aftermath]]. Thus, combining two Level 3 properties directly (like [[Konzen-ittai]]->[[Tachi: Fudo]]) will create a "[[Radiance]]" Skillchain that cannot be continued; however, this "two-step" process is only available while under the effects of a Level 3 Aftermath. To make an "ultimate skillchain" while under the effects of a Level 2 Aeonic Aftermath, a minimum of a "three-step" skillchain must be performed, and likewise, for a Level 1 Aftermath, a minimum of a "four-step" skill chain must be performed.
:Furthermore, ''any weapon skill with a Level 3 Skillchain property'' may be used to close the appropriate "ultimate skillchain."

'''''For further clarification and more details on performing an Ultimate Skillchain, see the [[Aeonic Aftermath]] page.'''''

{| width=700px border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center
|-
| align=center width=33% | '''Second'''
| colspan=4 align="center" style="border-bottom:3px solid black;" | '''First Property'''
|-
| align=center style="border-bottom:3px solid black;" | '''Property'''
| BGCOLOR="F5F5F5" align="center" width=33% | '''[[:Category:Light|Light]]'''
| BGCOLOR="666666" align="center" width=33% | '''[[:Category:Darkness|Darkness]]'''
|-
| BGCOLOR="F5F5F5" align="center" | '''[[:Category:Light|Light]]'''
| TCOLOR="FF0000" align="center" | {{Radiance}} '''[[Radiance]]'''
| align="center" | {{x}}
|-
| BGCOLOR="666666" align="center" | '''[[:Category:Darkness|Darkness]]'''
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{x}}
| BGCOLOR=E1E1E1 align="center" | {{Umbra}} '''[[Umbra]]'''
|-
|}

[[Image:Aden's Renkei Chart.jpg|thumb|float|right]]

== Resistance Rank Modification ==
During the magic burst window of a skillchain, the target's elemental resistance ranks for every element composing the skillchain are lowered by one stage. As such, monsters are less resistant to the matching elemental magical effects of all kinds during this window, even ones that cannot [[Magic Burst]]. This effect resets with each successive skillchain. See [[Resist#Resistance_Ranks|Resistance Ranks]] for more information.

== Skillchain Chart ==
Though it is now outdated due to new weaponskills, this chart was a mainstay for years and still illustrates most of the important relationships:

== References ==
* [http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/103734-Skillchain-Elemental-Affinity Skillchain Elemental Damage (Stromgarde and friends, BG)]
*[https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/42614-Jun-17-2014-%28JST%29-Version-Update#:~:text=Skillchains%20have%20been%20adjusted%20to%20that%20they%20may%20no%20longer%20be%20resisted%2C%20but%20their%20potency%20will%20now%20vary%20depending%20on%20the Skillchain damage can no longer be resisted and damage is now affected by the target's resistances. Jun 17, 2014 (JST) Version Update.]

Category:Skillchain - Revision history

imported>Chimerawizard: /* Skillchain Damage */ https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/58383/diamond-aspis-skillchain-testing/1/#3747164 and guessing based on trend for t4 chain's 3.0